with the abortion restriction in the new health-care bill comes some really fucked up shit. namely that women who miscarry could very well be prevented from getting a medically necessary D&E if they’re on the public option. even beyond the whole bodily autonomy for ALL women argument, this is dangerous and wrong to a degree i can’t fully articulate right now. basically, all i have to say is fuck a whole lot of that shit.
and people wonder why gen-x was labeled as apathetic. we’ve watched this kind of hypocrisy for our entire lives, having been raised by the baby-boomers* who fought so hard for their own rights and are selling ours out now.
*i know not all baby-boomers are hypocrites, just like not all gen-xers are apathetic. i’m making more of a statement on my own, and many of my friends, states of mind in relation to our parents and the majority of government officials nowadays.
Basically, it boils down to this.
“Look BItches, the only way this is going to pass is if we make it more profitable for the insurance companies. So, we’ll recoop the losses on covering “real American’s diseases” by letting you bitches die.”
That’s exactly what the Stupak Amendment says, in street vs. congressese.
And this is why I want to scream all day.
I may not be a woman, but I’m still angry with you!
From what I’ve read of the bill women still retain full automomy over their bodies and can have whatever procedure they desire. They cannot get someone else to pay for it but it will still be their legal right. Critics seem to be reaching with the doom in regards to medically needed procedures but both Dems and Repubs have been doing that during the entire discussion.
Either way it isn’t going to matter because theres no way any public option bill gets out of the Senate.
great, are you gonna pay for me to have this medical procedure if i lose my insurance and miscarry? oh, you’re not? so, are you going to pay for my bills if the fetus decays and causes systemic infection? really? you don’t want to? oh, so sorry for inconveniencing you with my human rights issues.
so glad we got that cleared up.
it’s not an issue of what the privileged few on private care or with their own resources to pay can do.
They cannot get someone else to pay for it but it will still be their legal right.
Of course, if you don’t have a procedure that’s covered by insurance, you can afford to have this done, right?
Cuz its not like hospitals/doctors turn people away if they don’t have insurance or anything… oh wait they do.
Taking all the Pro-Infanticide bullshit from Feminists out of the equation for now – all that will have to be done is for medical providers to make a distinction between a non-infanticidal procedure and an infanticidal one.
oh, good. i’m a baby killer! bring me my baby-flavored donuts!
unless you’re stupid (which is a distinct possibility) you know it’s not that simple. you know that these things come down to tiny words interpreted by lawyers and that any wiggle room (such as the fact that all D&E procedures are labeled “abortion” on medical records) could jeopardize REAL women’s lives, not just the straw feminists who go and get pregnant just for the fun of getting an abortion later.
Sorry, infamousqbert; that was really aimed at whatever bgk is and not meant as a general diatribe.
It’s a little hard for any rational person to take, “Its a medical necessity for a woman who does not want to carry the child to term to have an abortion,” as anything other than the rantings of infanticidal creature.
As I said in my first comment, it may require a change in categorization and nomenclature. In other words, they may need to separate the procedure, D & C from the possible goal, infanticide.
Hey Reply to my comments using the reply button under my comments.
and I’m a person, not a whatever. IF you want to actually discuss the issue, treating me as a person with agency might be a good first step.
Infanticide would be the killing of babies. Abortions are not infanticide. Abortions are medical procedures that remove fetuses (non-Babies) from a woman, at her request.
I did reply to your comment in that fashion, bgk.
I see you’ve decided you’re a God and can determine when life starts. Impressive.
baby killer! baby killer!
in your butt pirate blue jeans!
you’re a god, which must explain
why you like to kill things!
i will bring you baby donuts
you will bring me wine
we’ll enjoy recreational drugs
and all will be just fine!
To the chorus of Spaceman by the Killers:
The baby Killer says you are a god.
Butt Pirate Blue Jeans make me wanna do drugs.
The IQB says Women should eat donuts,
Baby Flavored Only.
since i don’t know that song off the top of my head, i’m hearing it in beat poetry style, complete with snaps and extraneous pauses.
Yep, I’m a God. No, I’m a person with a mind who sees things and calls them what they are.
The truth is, even if it is life, its not self-sufficient. And this falls back to my kidney-analogy that you’ve ignored.
Your statements seem to be that you’ve also decided you know when life starts, because my understanding of the reproductive cycle, is that the body regularly goes through an abortive process for fetal matter at the same stages that Women choose to have abortions.
beegee, you’re totally a god. the god of butt-pirates.
I believe in D&D terms, that would mean my domains are piracy and anal entertainment.
noted. i’ll add these to the list.
It’s a little hard for any rational person to take, “Its a medical necessity for a woman who does not want to carry the child to term to have an abortion,” as anything other than the rantings of infanticidal creature.
So then, if someone needs your extra kidney, knowing that it brings a reduced life expectancy, and all the other physical changes that brings, you are required by law to give them that kidney? NO… its the same thing for abortions.
rantings of infanticidal creature.
whatever bgk is
I love how twice you’ve specifically used phrases to dehumanize me, when your ilk claim that we do the same to fetal matter.
It’s more strange that you complain about being dehumanized when you and your breed of vermin do the same to unborn children.
Funny, its strange that I as a person would demand my debate opponent recognize me as an individual, I know. Its also funny that strangely, you’ve not yet acknowledged that my position is about choice for women, and your choice is state-mandated imposition and removal of choice for women.
oh, but bgk, it’s not about the women, because all REAL women are holy vessels of god’s mighty sparkle-peen and would NEVER have cause to rid themselves of a BAYBEE! only the unwashed heathens with their masks of woman-type faces would ever need this kind of service. as long as we’re good little girls and follow the mandates of the one true “christian”* god, there’s never any reason for us to fear. just like good americans shouldn’t have any worries about having their freedoms impinged on by unauthorized wire taps or similar.
*btw, all the people i know who seem to be actually following the teachings of christ, rather than the teachings of the republican party, are evil liberals. you might want to go back and actually read the words of jesus before you spout off about what’s right, wrong or whatever, because i’m pretty sure he’s not quite what you think he is. but that’s a whole nuther post.
I love how I’m a radical for wanting Women to have their autonomy and choices.
And how someone’s belief in a magickal sky fairy that hasn’t deigned to send a representative for the past 2000 years should someone how be more important than humans living here and now boggles my mind
Sorry to bust your Leftist, pro-baby killing bubble, but I’m Pagan, not Christian.
Further proof that stupidity isn’t taught by religion, but can be learned by any who desires it.
sorry to bust your self-absorbed ass, but i wasn’t talking to you, although i’m fairly sure these beliefs don’t tie in very well to paganism either.
and stop winking at me. for fuck’s sake that’s annoying.
I haven’t decided as of yet if I believe that you qualify as being a person, so your first point is moot.
As for your supposed choice, murder of an innocent is rarely a valid choice. Since I’m neither selfish nor arrogant enough to think I know precisely when life / personhood begins, I believe that it is a vast evil to condone the bulk of abortions – and all abortions done for the convenience or “social wellbeing” of the female.
I haven’t decided as of yet if I believe that you qualify as being a person, so your first point is moot.
As you do not give me common human courtesy than I will say this.
Your arguments are stupid, your comments are inane, and instead of “debating” all you’re doing is spouting hatred. You’re the exact same as a kid saying, “Yeah you’re ugly.”
Fuck you, asshat.
i’m quite the large douchebag and don’t understand how to relate to other humans who don’t share my beliefs. whee!
Since I’m neither selfish nor arrogant enough to think I know precisely when life / personhood begins
but you can tell us we’re not human/persons? your logic does not resemble our earth logic.
also, telling me and my friends we’re not human = ban. bye bye asshat.
i like to play semantics so that people can’t blame me for being intolerant and hateful. whee!
Taking all the Pro-Infanticide bullshit from Feminists out of the equation for now
Wow! Pro-Infanticide. Glad you can decide for all women what can or cannot happen in their bodies.
I mean that is just ridiculous. Its a medical necessity for a woman who does not want to carry the child to term to have an abortion. That’s the reality, and the one you want to deny.
Hardly, Baby Killer. It’s just an example of the twisted selfishness that some creatures masquerading as human women seem to enjoy.
There are no babies killed. You are a liar.
I’m a baby killer? Fascinating. Seeing as I support women’s bodily autonomy to remove a fetus that is not baby.
And your suggestion is what? Women must carry all fetus to term regardless of their situation unless a doctor deems it to be a medical necessity?
i’m SO getting you a “Baby Killer” shirt for christmas.
Sweet. It’ll match my Butt Pirate Blue Jeans
i’m making up a baby killer song in my head right now.
It’s just an example of the twisted selfishness that some creatures masquerading as human women seem to enjoy.
sounds SO much like what progressives think about those who would tell ME what I can do with MY body.
well, i gotta go. i have to go find my human mask and have a fun abortion!
Seriously, isn;t that what all the girls do on a Friday night? Have an abortion, watch Sex & The City, and drink a ton of red wine?
well, i don’t care for sex & the city, but the rest of it is totally spot on.
Do us all a favor, you heartless misogynistic pile of shit – stay away from all women forever. Please be sure your heartless misogynstic genes do not get passed on to the next generation. kthxbai!
*terrorist fist bumps*
Words mean things, dumbass. You can’t just redefine them to suit your twisted anti-woman claptrap.